A Michigan judge was stunned when a civil defendant joined a Zoom call hearing while driving her car, in footage originally obtained by Fox 2 Detroit and reposted by CBS News — and then lost his patience when she tried to deny she was the driver, despite it being clearly visible on camera.
According to People Magazine, the defendant, Kimberly Carroll, was being sued by a debt collection company for around $2,000, and her case was before Woodhaven District Judge Michael K. McNally.
"You cannot be driving, ma'am. What are you doing? Come on," said McNally in the video footage.
"I'm not driving, I am a passenger in a car," said Carroll, even though the camera angle made clear she was in the driver's seat.
"You're still not — I'm not hearing cases with people driving or as passengers in cars," said McNally.
"Okay, I will pull over right now," said Carroll. "I'm sorry, I have an emergency. I am going out of town for a family member, but I will have my driver pull over, wait one second, I'm sorry. I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to be in a car, but if you've got one second..."
"Am I crazy, or does it not look like you're driving that car?" said McNally.
"I'm not driving the car, I'm a passenger in the car, sir," said Carroll.
"What side of the car are you on?" asked McNally.
"I'm on the left-hand side," said Carroll.
"How would you be on the left-hand side if you're a passenger in the front seat? Am I missing something?" asked McNally.
"Left — right-hand side, I'm sorry, I've been sitting in a room, I didn't know," Carroll struggled.
"The seat belt's coming off of the driver's side," said McNally. "You know you're lying to me, right?"
"No I'm not, sir," insisted Carroll.
"Let me see the driver," said McNally, at which point Carroll froze, her eyes wide. "Let me see the driver."
"Hang on one second," said Carroll. "I have to ask their permission."
"Now!" barked McNally.
Carroll, who had pulled over at a gas station, exited the vehicle through the driver's side.
"You think I'm that stupid?" said McNally. "I'm going to go ahead and enter a default judgment. Our paperwork says that we can't have, that they can't drive, does it not? ... Does our paperwork not tell people they can't be in a car?"
"The paperwork that I'm looking at, it does not say that I cannot be in a car," said Carroll.
"I'm entering a default judgment," said McNally. "You lied to me."


